EOM said:
I did not with smarts understand it, God revealed it.
Are you SURE that you want to have a relationship with God? Think about the implications...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYkxWO4Op6c&list=UULhtZqdkjshgq8TqwIjMdCQ&index=1&feature=plcp
while i am waiting and taking a big break to sort everything out.
i thought i would share some very cool life and scientific things that were revealed in the scriptures.
have you ever wondered why god made beasts and predators?
EOM said:
I did not with smarts understand it, God revealed it.
Are you SURE that you want to have a relationship with God? Think about the implications...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYkxWO4Op6c&list=UULhtZqdkjshgq8TqwIjMdCQ&index=1&feature=plcp
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-met-office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html.
nightowl.
Yeah, Konceptual; stunningly bad journalism, even by tabloid standards.... It's like the Enquirer, another of Rupert Murdoch's creations.
Here's a photographer who's documented the glacier ice melts, who was a GWD before he started:
http://billmoyers.com/segment/james-balog-on-capturing-our-disappearing-glaciers/
mom doesn't read this site.
when everything in my life crumbled....and i was 1 day from the preliminary court hearing to establish temp custody.....my attorney suggested i have somebody there with me.....for moral and psychological support.
so i called mom.
Moms are something else, aren't they? There is no greater
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Leaving WT SAID:
"Without the Gentile Times prophecy (1914), on what basis can anyone conclude we're living in the 'Last Days'?"
In World history, what time HASN'T been "Gentile Times"? Did I miss the book of the Bible where Israel and Jews became a great World power, conquering other Nations, or operating a vast Empire like they were Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, UK, etc?
Point being, anyone who buys the story-line based on a faux "Gentile Times" concept as historically-valid is not likely to be worried about little details like actual historicity and a lack of archaeological evidence (where the expression referring to a scam as "selling the BROOKLYN bridge" is probably no coincidence, lol)!
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Welcome, Backslider.
Yup, I dare say you may be onto something, as they absolutely need to ditch 1914 and down-play the focus on specific dates, being as non-specific as possible (ie saying the end is "near"; when asking for specifics, saying, "soon"). Instead, they need to play up the uncertainty element (with a message of "be prepared").
That smoke detector analogy/excuse is truly a sad sign of their prediction failures (b eing that they've had only false alarms!): I'd rather have an alarm that works as it should, and as demanded by QA organizations like Underwriters Labs, Consumer Products Safety Commission, etc.
That's what they get for doing the theological equivalent of buying a cheap Chinese-made smoke detector at the $0.99 Store!
a video will be posted later today where all the mysteries of god, the disgusting thing causing desolation, all the contradictions in the bible, why god in the old testament seemed so cruel, why was satan created if god is good, how is god love?
all of the prophecies jesus had foretold which were hidden and lost yet being fullfilled the entire time.
this is the good news that will then spread worldwide, and then the end will come.
EOM SAID:
"Everything you thought was wrong was because you were reading it wrong. That's the truth."
It's always man's fault, huh? Something WE did wrong?
On second thought, maybe you ARE getting a message from God, as that's the same old broken-record message in the Bible, lol!
first off, i am unable to post this as a link for some reaon.
sorry to make you copy/paste.
but i had to share.... .
Ziddina, the "examining the kidneys" reference stems from the ancient Hebrew belief that the kidneys were the organs used to make decisions, where wisdom (making good choices) was associated with the kidneys (and hence why they were used as sacrificial guilt offerings, to atone for sins where the penitent made a bad decision). KJV translates the Hebrew word as "reins", the same word still used for the reins of a horse, used to direct or guide the animal in the right direction.
They believed you had two kidneys, one good and one bad, somewhat akin to the concept of a tiny angel standing on one shoulder, a tiny devil standing on the other, both prodding you to do or not do something. So God's "examining the kidneys" was intended to refer to checking for wisdom, seeing what someone is made of. BTW, the video engages in a bit of updating for Gods mistake, changing the word to 'embryo' when that was NOT the original concept! Those lying scribes, indeed, lying for YHWH to cover his ignorance of human anatomy/physiology!
Those silly goat herders, thinking their kidneys played a role in decision-making, not knowing they are actually the filters and excretory organs for the blood stream, eliminating impunities in the form of urine.
the watchtower has depicted sparlock as a commercial plastic toy to be thrown into the garbage with impunity.. i submit to you all that he is something far greater.
sparlock represents all the hopes and dreams of jw children everywhere.
he is the magic of childhood.
Yeah, great job on the video, biblecheck: it's the best I've seen on YouTube as a critique of the Sparlock issue.
It was factually-based, non-biased, and focused on the important elements delivered without hyperbole, rancor or unhinged ranting to demonize the WTBTS. It was all done in a clear, concise manner, with each point made for a specific reason: that's very hard to do (esp in such a short time), but you pulled it off!
I dare say lurker JWs will find your studied, calm approach to be much harder to dismiss, since you're using a "nothing but the facts" approach with impeccable logic on display.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-met-office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html.
nightowl.
"Flawed science"? Huh?
Uh, just because the World isn't getting WARMER, but has plateaued at a higher temp, doesn't mean that global climate change isn't happening? Is that the assumption?
As the article states:
So let’s be clear. Yes: global warming is real, and some of it at least has been caused by the CO2 emitted by fossil fuels. But the evidence is beginning to suggest that it may be happening much slower than the catastrophists have claimed – a conclusion with enormous policy implications.
And being that we've already made efforts to reduce CO2 emissions, you'd think that report should be taken as GOOD news, and not used as an excuse to continue with mitigation efforts.
Global Warming deniers need only go to Greenland and tell them it's not real: in fact, they've already experienced profound changes in their environment which have profoundly impacted their industries (fishing and mining). Fishing got decimated, but the disappearance of glaciers has exposed rare earth mineral deposits under the ice which means there's opportunity:
This is a real-time, real-World example of how climate change means cultural and industrial change, with winners and losers.
as part of the wt's recent push to get the r&f "to study and recount the history of the earthly part of jehovahs organization" there is a curious article in the from our archives featurette of the august 15th, 2012 watchtower.
it offers a highly sanitized version of early jw history.
but what is particularly strange is this revisionist history re-categorizing of an early bible student/jw, one hugo riemer.
00DAD said:
King Solomon: I think you are missing the significance of their claiming this as "New Light" from YHWH
No. There was no such claim. Read the WT article. It is just a seemingly insignificant comment in the article on 31 of the 8/15/2012 WT.
As OnTheWayOut commented on page 1 of this thread, "I doubt too many will notice that. It's actually huge. They continue to re-write their own history. Probably a preemptive strike to build up their FDS-is-only-the-Governing-Body nonsense. They need there to alway have been a GB."
Yup.
Since no one has actually READ the "new light" policy yet, there's no way to know what the details will be until it's released, and whether it'll cover such a statement in the 8/15/12 WT. We're hence limited to speculation.
HOWEVER, this kind of move was hinted at in CoC as a way to consolidate control from an individual/corporation to the GB, a move which was obviously opposed by Rutherford/Knorr, and came to a head in Knorr's day (with the Committee of Five). Per Franz, it worked for two years, until old patterns reemerged. Subsequently, the GB had plenty of time to plan for this "new light", and it'll be interesting to see how they handle the transition (which allows them to sweep the mess documented in CoC under the rug, which will work at least for what must be an extremely small minority of JWs who are aware of any of the "old history").
The GB probably figures it's never too early to lay the groundwork for such retroactive change, under the cover of being spirit-directed, and not as contradictory and damning mistakes that expose the BS. So they rewrite their history under the cover of "new light", and once again, like with Noah's Flood, they can say "God Dun It!".
Remember: in order to know the FULL BACK-STORY, A JW would have to read CoC, and that's not likely to happen since they look at apostate literature as a vampire at the sight of a cross.
I found this passage from CoC particularly relevant:
Again, there seems to be a strong parallel with those among Jehovah’s Witnesses who continue to hope, in spite of any evidence to the contrary, that some type of major reform will take place. As stated earlier, even the recent changes made seem to be simply a case of dealing with symptoms rather than the root cause of the illness or disease, which is the heavy emphasis on organizational authority and its right to dictate to human consciences and control personal thinking. As Davis puts it: “There is a possibility that the cause of the disease will be advocated as its remedy.”
Thus, each Watchtower article setting out a major change, fails to face up to the problem of the original false reasoning and misuse of Scripture that makes change necessary. Rather, it consistently seeks to cast the change in the light of evidence for putting trust in, and being submissive to, the system that gave the wrong understanding, not only gave it but insisted on it and took action against any not accepting it. In each case, as well, one sees clear and regrettable evidence that the change results, not from pure love of truth or deep devotion to Scripture or compassionate concern for people, but comes instead when the previous position has become precarious, difficult to sustain, sometimes embarrassingly so, as with regard to certain teachings relating to 1914, or, in other cases, when interests in avoiding taxation or other restrictions are at stake.13 That is why the hopes for genuine and fundamental reform, for the present at least, give evidence of being essentially wishful thinking.